can anybody remember anything from the debate four years ago between mccain and obama? i certainly can't. >> bret: very little. >> very little. >> uneventful debate. they happen. >> that is the first time we saw senator obama then at the time hold his own with the older statesman, more experienced person. >> bret: by the way, he started in the first debate calling him john. he didn't call him senator. he called him john. i'd be interesting to see does he call mitt romney "mitt" or "governor"? >> i assume he'll call him governor and one thing we have to find out. we don't know. for practicing they do, once the dynamic is up there it's easy to get under president obama's skin i think. from some of his channelers that said that before. people who debated him. we'll see. well practiced to not be smug. on the same side, governor romney, he can't sort of call for help as he did in the debate in the primary. >> what i would suggest to the president is don't call him "mittens." >> bret: that would be bad. jonah, final word. >> it's interesting that obama become has to practice